019 | Being Resourceful: The Truth You Need!, With Joi K Madison

Today’s title of the interview is being resourceful. The truth you need. My name is Manuj Aggarwal. And today I’m talking with entrepreneur, Joi K. Madison, about the common myths and misconceptions about being resourceful that stop most entrepreneurs dead in their tracks, even before they get started.  So joi is a serial entrepreneur and she has graciously consented to this interview to share extensive knowledge and experience and dispel some common myths about being resourceful that every entrepreneur needs to learn about.

So Joi, can you first tell us a little bit about yourself your background, education and experience?

Sure. So I’m actually a currently a third year doctoral student working on my doctorate in clinical psychology with an emphasis in marriage and family therapy. That is actually a bit of a career shift for me. Prior to this, I actually owned a fitness studio here in Los Angeles. And I was in the health and fitness and sports industry, pretty much my entire life, I had been coaching and training and I was working as an athlete myself. And so what how I even came to psychology was that in the time that I own my Fitness Studio, I was working with my clients and I would talk to them about their health and fitness goals. And what I would find is oftentimes, it wasn’t for lack of information that they weren’t able to reach their goal. There was something happening in between sort of learning the information and being able to execute it. And the more I talked to people, the more I realized that a lot of their issues were emotional and psychological. And that’s sort of how I ended up in psychology. But prior to that, like I said, I was working in health and fitness. So my undergraduate degree is actually geology and biomechanics. Okay, so sort of merging the two worlds of mind and body health and fitness and wellness. With all the information that I have, I am currently doing my current work, I guess you could say my business is called the club of hearts. And it’s an online subscription based service where I dropped monthly workshops. And we offer concrete and actionable steps that people can take to move closer to their goals and their their visions, whether it’s in their businesses and their relationships and their health and their finances. And that’s my current project. But like I said, I used to own a Fitness Studio, I also do clarity, coaching. So I have a lot of things going on. I’m also a mentor, I work with young girls between age 12 to 18 years old. So a lot going on.

That’s great. So you are obviously very resourceful. So let’s talk about that. What are some of the most common myths that you come across when you meet entrepreneurs? And, you know, how are they being resourceful how or how they are ignoring the resources that they may already have?

Yeah, that’s a big question. I talked about my Fitness Studio. And one of the things that I talked about the most, from that experience is that I had a whole Fitness Studio that I ran for four years, I never had a loan, I never used any credit cards. I bought all my equipment, and I’m built out that studio, strictly cash out of pocket from my client. And I think it’s important to say that because a big piece of business that kind of people shy away from their dreams, or they don’t do it as big as they see it is because of money. Right. And so that’s a big resource. That’s a huge resource when it comes to business when it comes to people thinking about starting a business. Yeah, so one of the first things that I want to say to people about money is that you don’t need as much as you think. I remember talking to a woman years ago, and she said to me, I remember I was planning an event. And I was like, these are all the things that I need. And I started running down this itemized list and how much everything was going to cost. And I did all this price checking online. And she said to me, don’t worry about the house. Just think about the what, right. And what she meant by that is just think about what you need. And then from there, you get to connect with people who have that, as opposed to thinking is your sole responsibility to raise the money or whatever it is, you need to tie the thing, right. And it was like, and that was like a big light bulb for me. And so over the years of running multiple businesses, I’ve come up with what I call my four B’s of in terms of getting the resources you need, resources, meaning tangible resources, right. And the first one I say is big, right? Ask people, you would be surprised how many people want to support you see the value in what you’re doing. Just want to be able to say they donate it to something. And oftentimes we go about it trying to get the money. And it’s better to ask for the thing. So if you need supplies, if you need a venue, if you need help with your graphics, if you need whatever, just ask people. And that’s the first thing that I tell people, the next one I tell people is to borrow, right. And so sometimes you need a space where you need a camera or you need something, and you don’t need it long term you just needed one time, or maybe for a short period of time. So sometimes you can just borrow what you need. And again, there are so many people who would be willing to allow you to do that, especially when you’re clear about your vision. And you can say to them, this is what I’m doing. This is why it’s important. Here’s how you can support me. People are like Oh, yeah, okay. Good. Let’s do it. No beg borrow. The next one is barter. Sometimes we forget how much value we have to offer. Yeah. Even when it’s not necessarily directly in mind with what you’re doing, if you can offer someone, someone something else. Yeah. So for instance, with me when I was working as a coach and fitness, I still had the skills that I’m sharpening now, with regard to psychology and coaching and the mental and emotional wellness. And I would often barter that to get what I needed for my gym. Right? And so it was like, Okay, how can I support what you’re doing? Yeah. And how can we sort of you scratch my back? I scratch yours sort of thing? Yeah. Right. So again, it’s less about trying to figure out how I can pay you to do with me. And it’s more about saying, Hey, I have something valuable to offer you as well, can we try? Right. And then the last be of the four B’s venue by, but by the time you’ve gone through beg, borrow and barter. And you get down to the thing that you’re that you have left on your list, the amount of money that you need to buy those things, is so much less than you originally thought, now, right. And so that’s one of the things that I really talk to people, especially my young people that I mentor entrepreneur that I work with, go through that list, first, get very clear about what you need be very clear about what you have to offer, be very clear about who has what you need, whether it’s a business, that, you know, corporations have all kinds of, in kind donations and things that they have to get rid of, for, you know, every year, but every fiscal year, there’s a individuals who want to support you, there’s organizations who, you know, they have venues, and they’re like, if you know, if our constituent if our members can attend your event for free, then you can use our venue, and it’s like, Who doesn’t want to fill seats for their event? Yeah, of course, you know, if it means getting a free venue, of course, your constituents can come for free, you know, or whatever that is. And so when you can get through those know the beg, borrow and barter you again, that list of things you’ll need to buy that you actually need money for, will be so much smaller, and in that instance, will become so much less intimidating, or so much less of a factor or a burden to doing what it is you envision for yourself, when you see all those dollar signs, you start to feel like I don’t know, I’m gonna do this.

So that’s well said. So, a lot of these misconceptions have been, you know, fed to us by big business or media. So, you know, obviously, there are all these resources available, and we should leverage them. Now, to help the audience a little bit, can you name a few resources, maybe websites or, you know, similar resources that you have used in the past, to implement these, these strategies.

You know, what, I going to be a little bit unorthodox, but I have used social media so much. And the way that I have used it is that I will often if I have an idea or something, I will often search hashtags and find businesses, or organizations or individuals who do something that is in alignment with my vision and my values. And I’ll just maybe following engage with them. quick story I’ll share with you specifically about this. Yeah. Last year, actually, 2017 Actually, I was going to South Africa on vacation, right. But at this time, I had just actually just closed the studio a couple of months before that. And I was moving into my coaching business and looking to do workshops and connect with new people and build my brand in this new arena. Going to South Africa on vacation, I thought, I wonder if there’s an opportunity for me to begin to plant seeds internationally with the work that I’m doing. And so I went on Instagram, and I started searching businesses and organizations and things like that in the area where I would be South Africa, Cape Town, and Johannesburg, and Cape Town. And I found this is like a collective, basically, of creatives who do design and all kinds of things. And they were in Johannesburg, not far from where I would have been saying, but I started following this organization, I would engage with them on their page, and you know, just all of that. And then when it was a few months out from my trip, I sent them a message on Instagram, and I just said, Hey, I’m going to be in South Africa, this is what I do. I love what you guys have going on. Here’s the vision that I have for how we can collaborate, please let me know if you’re interested, I would love to hop on a call and, you know, work out. And it actually ended up working out so that when I got there in November, I was able to do a small email with a couple of people, maybe like 25 people, where we just want to talk about what was happening currently with how to manage and cope. And we’re talking about emotional stressors and triggers, talking specifically with fashion designers about how they can use their brand as their voice because you know, people are wearing your clothes. And that’s a message that’s an opportunity to share something that’s important to you, not necessarily in words or phrases, but even just, and how you make your clothing who you choose to work with, and the design of your clothing, all of that matters. And so that’s one way I used Instagram. And I typically use Instagram, mostly Instagram, actually, sometimes Facebook, and occasionally Twitter, probably the least amount Twitter, but that’s really how because again, I feel like we’re just now in an age where this is the people things, Opportunities are so much more accessible to you. And the traditional route, though they have their place and are certainly still very relevant. our only option, and part of this. being resourceful is thinking outside of I don’t like the phrase outside of the box, but outside of what is typically sort of like apparently in front of you. Yeah, you know, and being able to say, what matters? What is my voice? And how do I connect most readily and authentically with organizations and businesses and individuals who are in alignment with that. And when you do that, that’s how you begin to engage in a way that is productive. When you’re clear about what you’re doing, and you’re clear about how or why or what you want to be doing that with?

Now, so that’s another great point. Now, what about, you know, sometimes we get caught up in our inhibitions, or, you know, the fear of getting rejected if we, if we beg or borrow? How do we get over that? Or even, you know, even if you’re not afraid of getting rejected, like, you know, it just feels sometimes I feel lucky, you know, I don’t want to go out there and put myself out there and ask for things. How do you get over that? I mean, you know, you must have some advice over there.

I certainly do. I actually, my signature coaching program is called the F word. And it’s all about how to approach managing overcome your fears. So and fear rejection, I have the what I call the four flavors of fears, the fear of loss, the fear of rejection, the fear of failure, and the fear of the unknown. I certainly do. I actually, my signature coaching program is called the F word. And it’s all about how to approach managing overcome your fears. So and fear rejection, I have the what I call the four flavors of fears, the fear of loss, the fear of rejection, the fear of failure, and the fear of the unknown. So fear of rejection is right in there. And it’s actually my flavor, right? is the one that I like, I don’t like it. But what I would say to you to answer your question is how do you get over it, is to really step back. And I don’t know if you’re familiar with the Four Agreements, but to realize that it’s not about you. Yeah. And so don’t take it personal, the person, the organization, the business, the whoever, the potential customer, or client. If they say, No, they’re not rejecting you, the person is just about understanding that whatever it is, you’re offering, selling, wanting to do build create, may not be in alignment with where they are today. And that’s really, okay. So the first thing is, don’t take it personal. The second thing is, when you can become comfortable with enforcing your personal boundaries, it makes it a little bit easier to respect and honor someone else’s. Yeah, well, part of not wanting to hear no, is feeling uncomfortable with saying no, until you are able to say, you know what, this doesn’t fit with me, this doesn’t work with me this and it’s not personal. I’m just clear about who I am and what I’m doing. And this doesn’t fit right now. And that’s just, that’s okay. It doesn’t mean anything is wrong or bad. It just means this is in a good fit. And you won’t be a good fit your business, your idea, your product, your service, it will not be for everyone, which is the importance of and one of the first steps of your business, figuring out who your audience is, yeah, if your audience is everybody, you might want to do a little bit of like, you know, getting clear. And even if what you’re offering can work for everybody, the way in which you market it and position yourself needs to be specific to start one at least first. And it’ll grow and it’ll do those things. And everyone was, it’ll be fine. But originally, and initially, you need to have an idea about who that person is, first, and then target them. And again, it goes back to what I was saying about the the Instagram thing, I went to them, and I saw them and I said, You know what, it feels appropriate to reach out to them via Instagram, because of their presence, because of the nature of their business. And the creative aspect of it is very much about social and connection and co working. So that felt appropriate, I wouldn’t have reached out to a bigger, larger Corporation, perhaps in that way, because it’s just a different brand. So all of that all that understanding of who you are, and what’s an alignment with your values and your vision that goes into how you’re going to approach all of these things. So the fear pieces, don’t take it personal, and then get comfortable and get real comfortable and clear about your own boundaries. So that when you say no, you understand that it’s not personal. So then when someone else said it, you don’t take it personal.

That’s awesome. Well said. Alright, so now, let’s move on to any other myths or misconceptions that entrepreneurs have. are still using their existing resources. So can you can you tell us a little bit more there?

Another big one that I hear from people is time, okay? people feel like they don’t have enough time. And it’s true. It’s just, not true. There’s all the things that I’m telling you that I’m doing. And that’s like, not even money. That’s like, the big stuff that’s worth mentioning. I mean, of course, I have a bunch of other things going on. And then of course, everything that goes into maintaining all of that stuff. Now, thank you. That’s the question, how do you do all of these things? And the answer is that I have become a master of my time. Yeah, straight up a master of my time, I actually give you a couple of sort of practical tips for how I use how I master my time. The first thing is, I make a list every night, sometimes every two to three days, depending on how far I can project into the future, sort of what I need to do. And I make a list every night or every two to three days of what needs to be done. And then when I don’t just make a list, right? Sometimes we’ll make it to do list and we just want to cough up the thing. Yeah, once I’m making the list, I actually have a whole notebook dedicated to this, I then give myself time limit for each item. So if I know I need to respond to emails, I will put on the list emails from 8 to 8.30. ever find know that I have client or whatever I have going on, I got to do you know, I’m, like I said, I’m a student. So if I got to write a paper, like I’m putting all of those things in, and I’m not just making a list, I’m giving myself a set amount of time that I’m going to be committed to this. And the reason why that works is two things. The first is whatever amount of time you allow boarding is the amount of time you’re going, to take to do that thing. And that’s one of the thing with procrastination, people are like, I know I went to the last minute, it’s like, if you have two weeks, you’re likely going to take that two weeks, yourself at the last minute, doing everything. But if you only have one day, you’re going to do what you have to do to finish whatever task it is in that one day. Yeah, right. And so when I give myself 30 minutes to do those emails, and I know I need to do these emails, and I only have 30 minutes, I am busting my butt to finish those emails, which means I am focused, I am not letting myself be distracted by other things, because I know I have 30 minutes to do this thing. And that is it. And that is all. Yeah. So giving myself a set amount of time, helps me to stay dedicated and focused on that thing only, which you know, in this world with phones, opinion and things going on, it’s easy to get distracted, and try to multitask, which is the biggest myth, you cannot,you need to do one thing. And so that’s the that’s the first thing that I would say is that I make my to do list and I give myself a specific allotted amount of time. And I factor in. And the second thing I want to say that I factoring everything. I factor in social media breaks, I factor in bathroom breaks, I factor in personal time for meditation or workout. And all of that stuff gets scheduled as an appointment on my calendar, all of it, every single bit of it. Because again, when you want to master your time, you can’t afford to leave things out and then expect that you’re going to have time to do them. So I’m big on language. And people always say I don’t have time. I said no. It’s not about having time. It’s about making time. Because we all have time, we all have the same 24 hours. Yeah, it’s about what you make time.

That’s right. Yeah, cut out next Netflix cut out Facebook, and you know, those those things are really time consuming.

So I’m big on language. And people always say I don’t have time. I said no. It’s not about having time. It’s about making time. Because we all have time, we all have the same 24 hours. Yeah, it’s about what you make time. That’s right. Yeah, cut out next Netflix cut out Facebook, and you know, those those things are really time consuming. Right? They are or, and that’s the thing about and I think that’s another thing, like the fear is that I’m My life is going to be boring, I have to give up all the things that I love. Because I used to come up a lot with my clients. When I was doing fitness, they thought being healthy meant giving up everything they love, right? So we feel like being productive means I can’t do anything fun. Because if I’m not always working, that means I’m wasting my time or being irresponsible, not true. But it is you need to be clear about how much time you want to get to those things. So that when you do watch Netflix, you don’t feel guilty about it. And you can’t even enjoy the show. And it’s like you never even did it. Right. Because you’ve been guilty. You’ve been moaning and groaning I shouldn’t be doing this. I know I shouldn’t be watching it. Just watch the show and enjoy it. Yeah, enjoy it, finish it, and then get back to whatever you need to be doing. So another part, in addition to breaking my day down, I in terms of time blocks, the other way that I do it, which may be helpful for someone else who maybe doesn’t do well with the time box with percentages. So I’ll say, what percentage of my day Do I want to dedicate to my health? What percentage of my day Do I want to dedicate to building my business? What percentage of my day Do I want to dedicate to connecting with people that matter to me? What but also, maybe it’s not my day, maybe it’s my month, maybe it’s my week, maybe it’s whatever it looks like. But when you’re clear about that, you can say you know what, if I have 24 hours 10% of that is 2.4 hours. So let’s say two and a half hours. That’s a pretty big chunk. But if I say 10% of my day is dedicated to my health, and I have two and a half hours, one hour of that maybe a workout 30 minutes of that maybe meditation, another part of that maybe going to therapy, whatever it looks like. And now I’ve just taken 10% of my day and used it productively to focus on my health. Yeah. And when I look at that, I can feel like, okay, that’s an alignment with my values. You know, right. Yeah. And again, it takes away the guilt and whatever else and but you you get to be much more clear and intentional about how you are investing your time. Right? Yeah, the last one I want to give with the time piece that is really helpful for me is that when I’m doing my time, when I’m doing the 30 minutes for the email, one hour for the workout, 30 minutes with the meditation, you know, 45 minutes to connect with my friend I haven’t spoken to or whatever. When I’m doing that, I will literally set a timer. Like I will grab my phone, I will grab my phone, turn on the timer, and go Okay, 45 minutes go. And when that timer goes off, I’m on to the next task, whether or not I finished what I was supposed to do. And if I did it, it just rolled over to the next day. But that rarely happens. Because I have given myself that time to focus on that thing. And I have not allowed anything else to be more important than that for the time that I allotted that thing.

That’s great, So we talked about saving money by following your four B’s framework. And we talk about managing Time, time and money saved. So now let’s talk about how can we maximize the impact of all this, as we are putting our resources to use.

Maximizing all of it. I mentioned it briefly about connecting with people, that would be one of my last if I had to sum it all up. resource is your relationships. Right. And so of course, that goes back to who you can beg, borrow, borrow or barter with, but also when you have about time who you’re spending your time or investing your time with. And so that becomes huge, because that’s how everything ties together. Holy, you know, and what they know. It’s going to help you build your vision. And so it’s not about using people like oh, what can you do for me, but it is about recognizing their gifts, and putting the gifts to you. And there are people around you who have skills that again, want to invest in your vision. And you can tie those people together and get clear in your mind about how they can support you. Yeah. And then you beg borrow barter with them about it, that goes back to how you’re saving time and money. Yeah. Right. And because we’re talking about not having enough time, because I don’t have all the time to do all the things. But I’m clear about who can do the things I need to get done who I’m supposed to, so that it still gets done, even if I’m not the one doing it. Right. So it goes. So when you’re talking about time and money. The third piece to that puzzle is your relationship, your relationship and realizing that you don’t have to know it all and you don’t have to do it all. So when you’re connected to people who have skills, talents, gifts, resources, and whatever else, that is when all the other stuff begins to come together. So with that requires you to get to release your fear of having control, right, because asking people for help, it’s also about giving up control. Right and letting them do whatever it is you need them to do so that you are not the one responsible for it. That also includes giving up the narrative that if I ask for help, that means I’m weak or that means I’m a burden. That means I’m somehow and incompetent or inadequate, it doesn’t. Yeah. So that requires giving up that narrative. And again, it’s just the thread for all of this is your clarity. You need to be 100%, clear, not certain, two very different concepts. Because things come up, you can’t ever know, you know, whatever. But you need to be clear about your intention. All the time, when you go to ask, when you go to sit down and set your timer to give yourself amount of time for whatever you’re going to do. Whenever you’re going to go connect with someone, you need to be clear about your intention. And I feel like that is what ties like your relationships is what ties all of this together. Whether it’s somebody you hire or somebody you know, or somebody who’s pumping you up in the background, giving you a cheerleader, whatever. That’s what ties it all together is your relationship. So you need to be very, very intentional about who you’re choosing to surround yourself with. and invest your time in.

Cool. That’s awesome. Now you mentioned, you know, you obviously mentioned mindset and clarity. And you also mentioned meditation. So can you spend a few minutes on that, you know, getting your mindset, right and being in a positive state of mind to be able to carry out all these activities with you know, the full potential that you have?

Yeah. So meditation is I meditate at least once a day, often twice a day. And first thing in the morning, and then usually, at some point in the middle of the day just sort of reset myself before I hit the evening shift if that’s what the day requires. And a common misconception if we’re talking about myths and misconceptions about meditation, and that it is about clearing your thoughts. And I like to tell people and I know there’s several different types of meditations and all that I don’t at all claim to be an expert. But what has helped me be consistent in my practice, is the understanding that it’s not about clearing my thoughts. It’s about redirecting my thoughts. And so again, it’s about choosing my intention. So typically, what meditation looks like for me is, I think of a single word. And for me, that word sort of becomes like my mantra for that meditation. And whenever my thoughts want to drift off to whatever bill I need to pay, or whatever task I need to do, or whatever thing is coming up next week, or whatever thing happened yesterday. Whenever my thoughts want to go there during meditation, I’m sure anybody who’s ever tried to meditate has had the experience of as soon as you sit down and get quiet, your mind goes go haywire right? Now, I choose that one word. And I’ll just acknowledge the thought. And I’ll say, yes, that needs to happen. But right now I’m focused on and whatever my intention for the day or that moment is, yes, I need to do that thing over there. But right now I’m choosing to focus on. And whatever that is, and I just keep bringing myself back to that. And I keep bringing myself back today. And I keep and it’s sort of becomes a practice of what I’ve been saying this whole time, which is clarity of intention, and organization with your approach. Right? And that when I’m doing that, in my meditation is a practice of that skill of acknowledging what’s going on within not letting it distract me from what my intention is. And I keep doing that. And in that time, what ultimately will happen for me is after a while doing that, you kind of fall into a rhythm. And you begin to hear more clearly what your intention is. Because for me what happened is, okay, so say my words. Today, my word actually was freedom. So, yes, that’s important to me. But right now I’m focused on freedom. And then what starts to happen is automatically I start to say to myself, okay, well, what is freedom? What does freedom mean? And what does freedom look like to me, and then my thoughts start to become consumed with creating freedom in my mind. And then the more clear, I become about what it looks like, what it feels like, what freedom is, for me, now, 10-15 minutes in, I’m now spending the rest of my meditation time creating what freedom is, and focus on that. And then I typically finish with this thought, or this idea that I am now going to choose to, for the rest of my day, look for and be open to all of the opportunities that are before me to create this freedom. And that’s how I then move about my day and things that are would have just been mundane, whatever is going on. Now they click in my mind as Oh, wait, this is an opportunity. This again, goes back to the south africa story I shared. I’m going to South Africa, new business, this could be an opportunity for me to grow my audience. internationally. Cool, right? in a row.

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that we we touch upon that topic, because I think your mental state of mind is very important for doing anything that requires this much effort.

Huge. I recommend that people meditate daily, at least, I do 30 minutes at a time. And like I said, once a day minimally, sometimes twice a day, I highly recommend people start a meditation practice, understanding that 30 minutes may be challenging for some people, start where you are in three minutes, one minute, just start there, focus on your breath. Or maybe even if you like ambient sound, or a mantra, if you choose a word, whatever makes sense to you, but get in the practice of being quiet and hearing from yourself. your highest self. In the practice of that, because whatever you’re doing whatever you’re offering, whatever product service, whatever it is, it’s going to require you to be very, very convicted about its purpose, and it’s relevant and its value. And that only comes from you being clear about who you are and what you have to offer. Yeah, for sure. You have to take time to be quiet to know that and to get clear about that, and to be competent in that. We’re just, it’s just required. It’s necessary.

Alright, is there anything else that you will like to share with the audience about being resourceful and growing their businesses, and starting on their entrepreneurial journeys?

Of course, of course. But I would say I think that sort of the overall thing is what I would like to say to anyone in general is to set boundaries but not limit. And what I mean by that is, again, be clear about what you will and will not do. But don’t put limits on what it looks like to do those things to create what you want to have what you see for yourself to do, what you desire to do in the world. Don’t put restrictions on what it may look like and how those opportunities may come to you because you never know. But do be clear about what you won’t do. Because as opportunities come your way, every door that opens is not meant for you to walk through it. So it’s important that, again, your values and your vision are at the center of your choices. Along the way, whatever you’re building, creating or doing in the world. And so you have boundaries, but you don’t have limits. And that’s going to take you far, take you high and allow you to be comfortable wherever you go. Because you know that you haven’t betrayed yourself to get there.

All right, great. Thank you so much for the interview, and sharing all your wisdom and knowledge and experience with us. I’m sure everyone in the audience got a lot of value out of it. Now, before I let you, can you tell us a little bit about your company, your services that you provide and how you work with others?

Yeah, so again, my most recent project is called the club of hearts. It’s a subscription based online marketplace for personal professional development. We release new content every month, around health, relationships, career and business and mindset, of course. And it’s facilitated by thought leaders, creators, entrepreneurs, educators, professionals, all kinds of people from a range of different industries. And this series actually, that just started this month, every every three months, we do a new series. This month, we’re starting the mental health series, by just dropped the April workshop, which is called therapy, what you should know before you go, it’s all about the different types of therapy questions, you should ask your therapist, your potential therapist questions you should ask yourself, about how to align with the right therapist, if that’s something you’re considering. It’s all available online, I’m actually hosting it on Patreon. If you guys are familiar with that platform, but it’s patreon.com/clubofhearts. There are three different tiers. In addition to the online virtual workshop, you also have the option to get some one on one or group coaching. I also just wrapped up the money mindset makeover, which was a four part series on reworking your mind around money, which is similar to that talked about today. But it’s really go deep into our relationship with money and the ideas that we have about money and where they came from and how to dismantle them and build new ones. So all of that is available on the platform. And again, it’s patreon.com /clubofhearts. You can join there and connect with me there. I would love to serve and support you with all the workshops that we drop every month.

All right. Great. Thank you so much joy for joining us. And I’m sure everyone in the audience loved you. Thank you.

Thank you. Goodbye.


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