068 | Business Storytelling Through Books | Publishing Business | With Melanie Johnson

Guest of today’s show is Melanie Johnson. She is a multiple-time best-selling author and CEO of Elite Online Publishing and is also a recognized publishing and marketing expert. Prior to that, She owned and operated two independent TV stations in Houston and Dallas. She’s also been a News Anchor, Producer, and Financial Strategist and worked in Public Relations, Promotions, TV Ad Sales and Programming Negotiations.

Welcome, Melanie.

Thank you. I’m so nice to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

Thanks a lot, prior to getting into the publishing industry, Melanie owned and operated two independent TV stations in Houston and Dallas. She has been a news anchor producer, financial strategist, worked in public relations, promotions, TV ad sales, and programming negotiations. Wow, that’s a very long resume.

Yeah. And I was Miss Michigan too. So you forgot that one?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. forgot about that. It’s coming up somewhere in the interview for sure. Yeah. All right. So obviously you have accomplished a lot of things in your career, Melanie, but why don’t you take us to the beginning and tell us how this all started?

Well, sure, I started with a background in television. So I decided after became Miss Michigan and gave up the current, well I was kind of in the middle of Miss Michigan, trying to figure out what I wanted to really do. I was an auto show model at the time and commercial actress, so really wanted to get into broadcasting so I got my first job. As a TV broadcaster, and then from there, that morphed into producing children’s shows, doing PSA TV production, public relations. And then I met my former husband and we created a TV station. He had a license for a TV station down here in Houston. And we did an all-new station here where I was in charge of the news department, also produced the morning show there. Ran a lot of behind the scenes pretty much did a little bit of everything as you do when you’re a company owner. I didn’t do too much in the electronic engineering department. He was more of an expert there. And then our Dallas station was more syndicated programming and then we did syndicate programming as well in Houston. And then as things happen, you know, our marriage ended and then he filed for bankruptcy and we had two giant homes, and I had to reinvent myself. So at the time, I thought I was losing everything. And I turned the homes into rentals. Now it’s popular now but this was before Airbnb, BRBO vacation rental by owner had just started. And I took our summer home which was 13,000 square feet and turned it into a rental. And it started to be successful where realtors were usually the only ones who rented a home at the time. And they only rented one week for me and I sold out the whole summer. So then I came back and did the same thing with my 25,000 Yeah, 25,000 square foot house, it was rather big. And I rented that as well and made a living doing that until both the houses were foreclosed upon because of the bankruptcy. And then I was out of a job and a place to live. So in the meantime, I started doing real estate development, and then the market tanked here as well with the oil industry. So the economy was coming back. Oil was at $100 a barrel. So real estate was booming. And then oil just took a nosedive. And I had gone to a Tony Robbins event and they said Watch out for a shift in the economy. So I came home and I started selling all the properties that I had, but I still had a couple that I had held on to and in the middle of all this you know, it always say to don’t wish that the market was better wished that yourself make yourself better. I think Jim Rome said that. And so I was always educating myself, I felt like TV was going to start to decline and be a dinosaur. People kept saying, Don’t you want to go back into TV? And this was in 2008 2009? I said, No, I really want to know more about the internet. So that’s what I was studying and looking at. And during that process, I learned how to publish books. And a friend that I met there, Jen Foster, and I came up with doing a book writing retreat and publishing retreat. And we thought it would be just fun to do for one summer have a villa down in the Dominican Republic. So we took a group down there and publish their books when we got home. And all of a sudden, people started coming out of the woodwork. Oh my gosh, I didn’t know you were a publisher, I didn’t know you could publish your book. So two months later, we incorporated I said, I guess we have a publishing company now. And one thing led to another and as the real estate had kind of slowed down, the publishing started taking off. And I’ve been to do that ever since. And we’ve created over 75 authors that we’ve made all number one bestsellers. And what I love about a book for a business and an entrepreneur, is that it’s the best form of advertising you’ll ever get. I mean, I have bought and sold all kinds of advertising, right? I mean, I sold airtime on TV. And as a TV station owner, we did billboards, we did radio, we did magazines, we did all of that stuff. Of course, there wasn’t Facebook ads, then. But I just find that a book lasts forever, like people say, well, what’s the ROI on a book? Well, you know, if you’re going to get a magazine article, or if you’re going to do even a YouTube video, it’s there. But it’s not like a book, a book is there for your lifetime, it creates income for a lifetime, you can leverage it for a lifetime. And there are so many ways you can leverage a book versus like just a video or a plain ad that goes away. So I’m just a firm believer in a book, it changes your credibility, like getting the title of Miss Michigan, I have that for the rest of my life, becoming a best-selling author, you get that title for the rest of your life. So that’s kind of my little story in a nutshell.

That’s great, amazing story. And now, you know, you went from the show business, or, you know, beauty contest to writing, which is typically not the career path, you know, it generally unfolds. So, did you already have a knack for writing? Did you already know that this is what you wanted to do? or How?

Yeah, not at all. I mean, I probably I would have never said that I would become an author. I mean, the TV thing? Yes. Because I had done a commercial actress in college, I was the weather girl. So I thought, you know, that might be a natural thing for me to go into becoming an author and a publisher. If you would have said that to me. 10 years ago, even seven years ago, I would have said, No, I don’t think so. So um, and I tell people writing is not my strong suit my son hates when I say that Mom, you’re an author, you’re a best-selling author, you can’t say you don’t like to write, you’re not a good writer. But I am more of a talker is more of my way of communication. So when I sit to write a lot of times, I sit there and I get stuck. And I’ll do the same couple sentences over and over and over again, or the same paragraph. So with today’s technology, it’s so amazing what you can do, we use an app called otter, and there’s a variety of different ones you can use. But you can talk and it records the vocal part of it, but then it transcribes it live as you’re doing it. So then you have this, you can do it as an interview-style with someone, you can do it as your thoughts are just talking out loud, you can interview other people to get the content out. And then you’ve got a written text that you’re starting with. And then you can give that to an editor slash ghostwriter person to make it, all makes sense. I’m really great at organizing the content on how you should leverage your book, how you should position yourself in the book, how the chapters, how to start a chapter, all of that. But for me, writing is so much easier if I can just talk about it. And it’s being recorded and written at the same time. So that’s one of the big tips that we use for writers.

Yeah, I have I’m the same way like I like more visual and audio content rather than ] actually writing or reading. So I also use otter in my day to day workflow because of such an amazing tool.

Yeah, yeah. And I’ll give you another tip too. So those people who maybe do write, or maybe they hire a writer to do a blog post for them. So here’s a story of these guys who had a blog post, they decided to curate and take the best blog post and put them together, they made a book. So it was no extra work, really, I mean, the blogs were already edited, they just decided to put them in a certain order. And they made a book and published it. The book became a best seller. And then the book became a movie, which is called the middle list. So goes to show you, you can start with a blog that can turn into a book that can turn into a movie.

Awesome. Awesome. All right, great. So let’s dive into this a little bit more. Because you know, as you know, we have a lot of entrepreneurs and professionals in the audience. So tell us how they can get started, let’s say, you know if they want to understand what is the value proposition, why they should write a book, what would what will you tell them and then wants to decide they have they want to write a book? What is the process like?

Sure. Well, again, as we mentioned earlier, I think a book is the best way to position yourself in the marketplace. First of all, it makes you an expert right away, it means that you’ve looked at all this information, you’ve researched the information, and you’re putting it into a book and authors are still looked up to in this society, even worldwide, that people are impressed with someone who’s written and published a book. So it gives you that instant credibility in the marketplace makes you an expert in the marketplace, what we find with our authors, it gives them a reason to get media attention. So you’re out there, man, I wish I could get some PR, I wish some radio station, TV station talk show or something would interview me? Well, if you look at people who are even news commentators that are invited on to new shows as an expert, almost 100%, seven of them have a book and our authors. So if you know if you want to have we’ve had several authors that have come to us that want to be positioned in that marketplace, one that’s on PBS, and BBC and Fox News is a regular commentator, and she’s an author, right, she became an author, we made her book a best seller, we have another one who is a lawyer who is wanting to aspire to that. And immediately after her book came out, she was on the local talk show she had a news spread. So you get that media attention. That’s the other thing that it does for you. The other thing that it does for you, you can use it as a sales tool. So we have my business partner wrote a book called books two bucks, and it has a variety of different ways of how you can leverage your book to get clients. So one example of that is, let’s say you’ve been trying to get that, will call it like the big-ticket client, you’ve been trying to get to them, and you can’t get your foot in the door. But if you sent them, let’s say you send them a package, whether it’s from Amazon, or you wrap one in a box personal to them, their secretaries not going to open a package, right, because they don’t know what’s in there for their boss. So it’s going to go right on their desk, they’re going to open it up, it’s your book, it can have a personal note on there, you can even do a link that you could have a personal video that you’ve said just to them, right, that’s a private video on YouTube. And then you can earmark the book with pages and say, Listen, this is what I think will help your business to grow and increase your bottom line and they go right to the page of what you’re trying to sell them and tell them that’s going to improve their business. So they’re not going to throw a book away, no one ever throws a book away. And I tell people, all right, you sent a flyer out in the mail, or whatever, but no one takes the flyer and brings it to bed with them. They take a book to bed with them and read it, they sit in quiet time and look through it, they touch it, they feel it, and they may pass it on to someone else. So you may get another client with it. So I just think it’s one of the best tools that you can use. And then on top of that, you’ve now hired Amazon to work for you for free. So Amazon now promotes you. we had a New York Times bestselling author, that their traditional publishing house didn’t do it Amazon author page for them. So an Amazon author page is kind of like a Facebook page for an author. But Amazon populates that on the first page. So here, this woman, very popular woman, Laura Lang Meyer, I’ll tell you her name, she runs a very successful business on how to invest and make millions of dollars. So her Amazon author page wasn’t populating on the first page. So she brought us in, we redid it. And what you get on this page, which most people don’t know is you get eight videos, you get eight photographs, you get your bio, but our secret weapon is we always put all your social media links in there and links to buy your products and services in there. So once we did that, it’s now number three on her page. So her business comes up. So when you look her up to her businesses, that page comes up first from Amazon, and then Amazon, you can follow the person on this page. So if they do anything, update it, it goes automatically, it gets emailed to people that are following you. So that’s pretty cool.

That’s great. That’s great. And so um, so what is the process like, you know, a lot of, obviously, a lot of people, they do have a lot of thoughts and knowledge in their heads, but they may not be accomplished writers or editors. So how do they go through this process and write a book?

So there’s a couple ways one, we kind of touched on earlier of repurposing your content, which I’m really huge on that, because you’ve already put the work in, you already have this content. So it might be blog posts that we mentioned, you may have newsletters, you might have flyers, you may have pamphlets, brochures, instruction books, your sales pitches, that you have everything about your business that you already are telling people, like when you go on to that sales call, you’re telling them all the benefits of your product, all the top 10 things they should know about your product. So here’s another way if you don’t want to repurpose your content. Another great way is we call it the 10 by 10 by four. So what this is you take the top 10 frequently asked questions, and it can be more than 10. I’m not going to limit you to 10. But we just say take the top 10 the questions you get all the time over and over again about your product. When you’re going in to talk to someone about it. They’re always asking you pretty much the same thing over and over again. Then we say what about the should ask questions? These are the questions that they should be asking you if they knew what you knew. Right? Like-kind of that inside behind the scenes type question. Then the four is to come up with four storeys that answers each question. So I always kind of equate this to if you ever watch a minister preach usually they’re always giving you the topic of the sermon, right? They might give you the biblical verse, but then they go into a real-life storey whether it’s a storey from the Bible, it’s a storey about them a story about someone they know the story about somebody famous. So you want to start your chapter out with a storey about transformation about what answers that question or talks about that question. So once you do that, you pretty much have your chapters lined out, like each question can be a chapter. And then you start each chapter with one of those transformational storeys and then add the points of the benefits and the why they should do it and then how they should do it and then keep adding more stories. So if you can have at least four stories per chapter, that’s what makes people relate to you and really connect with you are those stories?

Got it? Got it. Okay, that’s great. How long do you think that typical, you know, a book can be read in a row, what is the duration of this whole project if one undertakes it.

So the book writing part, like if you sit down and do the 10, by 10, by four, you can have that done and just over an hour, you know, where you’ve written all those out? So this would be my advice, sit down for maybe 15 minutes. And just everything turned off and brainstorm what are the most frequently asked questions, what are the should ask questions, and then each of those put like, a one or two word, a thing that just reminds you of what the story should be that goes with that. And then just do the recording on otter, either sit with a friend and have them ask you the questions where you talk it out, or you just do it on your own. And then all of a sudden you have the content. So I would say from there, for the ghostwriters, editor person would probably take about 45 days, maybe 60 days to get that done. But what we’d like to do is why they’re doing that, then we start with the publishing and the marketing process. So what we want to do is start to rebrand you as an author and start to do a social media campaign, start to you know, give the cover out, give people like, Hey, here’s the cover, what do you think here several covers, get the excitement going, get the energy going. And so then when that when they’re done with the Ghostwriters, we’re about ready to have the book yet. Now, if you’ve already done with your book, then what we do from then we can usually launch your book within 60 days. Awesome. Awesome. That’s great.

And so you know, these days, a lot of people are writing books, I think, last statistics, as I looked at there were like 10s of thousands of books being published every day. So how do you stand out? How do you, you know, make sure that people know about your book? And they, whether they like it or not, that’s a second everything? How do you stand out?

That’s a great question. So first of all, it starts with your cover, makes sure you have an awesome cover, makes sure if you’re going to do this yourself, you get a graphic artist that really knows what they’re doing. And so what that means to break it down a little more is, I’ve seen covers where you can’t really read the title, because the title of the cover and the title of background are almost the same color. So contrast, right? Dark with light or light with dark, bold, big, you know, you want to have it really stand out. The other thing is that you want to have a great title. So you want to make sure that the title is something that says what your book is in who it’s for, including this subtitle. And the thing that we do that if you’re doing it yourself that you may not know, is you’ve got to have great keywords. So you need keywords in the subtitle, you need keywords in your description, right. So that’s how people are going to find you. And then the other secret that we have is really having the right categories. So we’re really great at finding those categories are good for your niche, and that is going to propel you to number one bestseller. So that’s the other way to stand out in that and then having the doing the best selling campaign. So that’s what we do. For every single one of our authors, we have a lot of strategies that go into that. And so we want to make sure when your book launches, that it hits number one, and it’s going to hit number one in as many categories as possible. So Amazon, if you’re just a layperson doing this, it always says you get two categories. But we have ways in with our software and our relationship with Amazon that we can get up to 10 categories and get you an international bestseller. So that’s what you want to shoot for is to be on that first page of as many categories as possible, and be on the hot new release list when you come out. So what we find is when we push you, it’s like almost you know what it’s like, it’s like getting a touchdown, right at the kickoff of a football game, right. So it pushes you all the way there. But then guess what, after you’ve done that, then you end up back at the 10-yard line or the five-yard line, you scored a touchdown, and then you are on the five-yard line, it’s easy to score again, versus starting back at the other end zone. So that’s what we do for our books. And Your goal is to stay up into everybody’s face as much as possible. And then the other part is that marketing using that book for leverage for your business. So I think a lot of people like okay, I launched my book now what it’s anticlimactic. So it’s like, well, you need to have that plan of what you’re going to do afterward to get those clients in to get that revenue. And, and just remember, it’s not necessarily about how many book sales you’re going to get. It’s wonderful to get book sales, and it’s great to have your number one, we want to get you there, that’s going to keep you up there as much as possible. But your biggest revenue is not going to be getting two to $5 royalty on your books, it’s really going to come in and using that book as an advertising tool to get that new client. So you got to say how much is a new client worth to me. So we had Lauren golden, who runs a website called free Mama. It’s a membership site. And she got three new clients within the first because of her book, it joined her membership site. So that’s what the goal is right? That’s what pays for the book. That’s what pays for the long term revenue of the book. And you get to use that over and over and over again.

Yeah, actually, that was a question I was going to ask you, how much revenue do you think people can expect to make? like is that anything that they can earn royalties, or is it mostly through the back end of the offer that they’re going to put together? Yet now you’ll make some royalties.

And it just depends on how much you’re pushing the online sales of the book, and the offline sales. So like, if you’re a speaker, we always recommend negotiating a deal that includes your books, whether they’re purchasing the books, or the purchase, the price of the book is rolled into your speaking fee. Right. So if you’re speaking to 100 people, 200 people, 50 people, 1000 people, you want to be able to roll those books sales into there for extra income, you will get income on online sales, but it’s just not as much I mean, a normal book, they always say like, like if you’re going to publish your book and go out there, the lifetime of a book is usually 250 Sales Total. So our books average way more than that we have one book now it’s even a fiction book that’s doing about 70 books per day. So but what we really say is, what is a client worth to you? Right? What is the lifetime of a client worth to you? How many times does a client refer another client to you? So if you get one client, even that year from your book and that client refers another client to you? What’s the value of the first client for a lifetime? Right? If you have products that they’re buying from you over and over again? What’s the value of that? And what’s the value of the referral that they’re going to give? Do you have other clients? So we say the book pays for itself, usually, depending on what you charge for a client, usually with one client.

Cool. All right, that’s great. And now, I have a specific question about Ghostwriters. So how do you match the author with the right Ghostwriter? Meaning, you know, they have similar writing styles, maybe even similar backgrounds, similar life experiences? How does that work?

Great question. So for us, we have a team of ghostwriters. So when an author comes to us, we do that separately, our packages are publishing and marketing, but we have ghostwriters that we work with. So usually will give you two or three names, and we want you to talk with them. See some of their work very important to look at their work. Sometimes they’ll even do a couple of pages for you. So you may have some of your content, you’ll say, hey, I want you to do this first chapter for me or first two pages, I just want to see the style and make sure it’s a good fit. We had an author who worked with a ghostwriter. He was a very, very busy man. And he did not look at any of the chapters, none of the work until the book was done. And then he didn’t like it were like, but hey, I mean, he was sending you content you should have been working as you were going on. So that’s part of the responsibility on the authors part of it. So you want to make sure that’s a good fit before you start and talk about pricing as well. So it’s really a personal thing because you’re going to work with them. And we always stress to our ghostwriters is we don’t want to lose the author’s voice. It has to be the author’s voice. If someone who knows that the author is reading the book and has to be like they’re almost talking to them, they can hear their voice in the text.

 

Yeah, for sure. All right. Now, let’s talk about the topic of books like do you think that any topic will work based on the expertise that the author has? Or does it need to be more controversial, a little bit edgier? Just like, you know, we talk about social media, where people put out clickbait posts and more sensational news just to get the audience like, which way do you think authors should lean?

Well, I really think the authors need to pick the product or service that they want to sell the most. So we just heard the owner of Whole Foods, he spoke, and his book was his speeches, the speech was his book. So if you’re a speaker, that’s what you want. So whatever your book is about that your platform, so I was just working with someone from the today show, consulting with her that she was one of the contributors on the Today Show. And she’s like, well, I don’t know, I could talk about so much different stuff. And then we honed it down that it really needs to be that she’s consulting and how to do communication. And she wants that one on one coaching clients. So that’s what the book needs to be about all the benefits of that what she does for that, how she teaches that, and you really give away a lot of the secret sauce in the book, which is okay, because then that person is like, man, I just want to work with her cuz she helped me personally. And so that’s what you want to gear towards? Yeah. And it works for any business.

Yeah. So let’s not talk about your entrepreneurial journey. So you said that you know, this whole thing started on a whim you took a retreat to Dominican. So tell us about that experience? Did you make any mistake along the way? How did this all happen? Like how did you grow the business?

Oh, my gosh, you know, mistakes along the way, that’s the I run 100 million dollar business before, but you’re starting a business from scratch. And every business has its own idiosyncrasies and things like that. You’re learning along the way, and you have to learn not to beat yourself up. So if something goes wrong, that you thought you should have known but you didn’t know or it rears its head, you’ve just got to say, Okay, this happened, how do we fix it, and then correct it. So it doesn’t happen again and moves forward. I think that’s something that the entrepreneurs get stuck in. And I teach my sons this too because they’re both pretty entrepreneurial, I said, you know, a business can start, you’re all excited about it. And then you get those first clients and it’s climbing up like this and something happens, and all the sudden it goes like this. And that’s when people generally will give up, they can’t take the storm. So then it’s going to climb back up. Again, I say it’s kind of like, think of your business as a Rubik’s Cube, you’re trying to find the formula. So all the colors lineup. So you might have one side, you’re like, Oh, I got all that I got all the orange side to line up. But then the rest is discombobulated. So you’re still moving it around, moving it around to find that right formula for your business, and get the routine down, getting your systems down, getting your operations down, getting your team together, making sure your contracts are just right. So you learned it’s a process as you go. So just remember, it’s a process, you can’t do it all at once. So you always have to adjust and the economy changes innovation changes. There were the guys one of our top advertisers from gallery furniture mattress Mac here in Houston. And I was just listening to a speech that he said, when he started there were four TV stations, and maybe 10, radio stations, newspaper, billboards, and magazines, now, and his company is still hugely successful, but they’ve had to change all the way that they do their advertising over the years, right? If he was just sticking with the old formats, and the way that it was before his business would die. So you have to constantly be innovative. I think there’s another key thing to staying on top of business and keeping the faith when it’s down.

 

Yeah, for sure. That’s a great analogy of a Rubik’s Cube like that all day, every day. All right. And, you know, speaking of change, the publishing industry itself is going through massive, massive changes, right? Like, back like 20 years ago, you can dream of self-publishing to, you know, submit your manuscript to multiple publishers. So how, how, how are things changing? Still? Like, are they sort of settled down now is the right, or things are changing constantly again.

I had to settle down like, no, I wish it did. Like, it’s like the updates to the iPhone, it’s like every week, there’s something. So um, yeah, so Amazon used to have a platform, up until recently, let’s call it like six months ago called create space. And we did all of our pages, paperback books there. Well, they decided to create space was going away, they’re not going to use it anymore. Everything is going on to the Kindle side, the paperbacks and the ebooks are going to be Kindle. So we found when they switched, everything over, everybody sales went down by 50%. Like what’s going on. So you’re having to relearn all the algorithms, again, they change their guidelines all the time of what they’re accepting and not accepting. And the book covers the Fred, the all of that. So it’s staying on top of all of those things. And, and I have to say, I equate it to kind of building a house or remodeling a house, I said, Go self publish, if you want to, but it’s kind of like, if you want to learn to be the electrician, and you want to learn to be the tile layer and the drywall layer, go for it. Or you can hire a general contractor, which is like us, and then you just get to pick out the furniture and move in. Right? So because it’s always changing. And the strategies are always changing. And we just got back from a conference called seller con, it’s all about selling on Amazon and knowing the algorithms and the keywords and everything that you’re supposed to do and they were just commenting and how much it’s changed just since last year’s conference. So yeah, I equate it to the cell phone, things are changing all the time. The algorithms are changing all the time, but guidelines and the rules are changing all the time.

 

Awesome. Okay, well, that’s good to know. And, you know, you had various other career options as well. So can you tell us what did what benefited you in terms of, you know, the skillset that you brought over to the publishing industry? Maybe you learn something in the TV world? And also, what did you have to unlearn? Like there is? What are there any skills that did not apply? And you have to honor them? For the population?

Yeah, that’s interesting. So I think having a TV background has helped me greatly because I understand or media understand advertising, I understand positioning in the marketplace, understood how to run a company, how to start a company from scratch, even though the TV was business, this was way more daunting, then that started the publishing industry. And there’s a lot more competition. So when I started TV, there wasn’t much competition. So there’s a lot more competition and less barrier to entry in the publishing business.

But I think having that savvy and having that grit, like you say, of staying in and knowing how to figure out the Rubik’s Cube cube has helped me tremendously. I think it gives the people we work with a lot of confidence, knowing that I have this background in media. And then my business partner, Jen Foster, her background is web design and video marketing. So she has a great complement to what I know. And she’s much more tech savvy than I am. Like I said in the beginning, I didn’t know too much about the engineering. Well, she’s the engineering tech part of the whole crew. So I can rely on her for that. And then I have the other business savvy, but she started a chain of retail outlets that she ran with her former husband. So she has a retail background. So I think we have a really great unique combination of skills. And I think it’s helped me a lot to see through the minutia for someone, when they present a problem of how we know how this is going to work for their business, not just about the book, but even their business in general, I have a way to build cut through and laser focus on how to help them. It’s been a big thing I’ve learned is probably just you know, the old ways of advertising, and an embracing all the newness of all social media. But um, my son, my sons have helped me because they’re 18 and 19 right now. And along the way, they have kept me savvy along with all my other learning. So I feel like I know more than my contemporaries do, for sure.

That’s great. That’s good. All right, that’s very helpful. Now, before I let you go, can you tell us a little bit about your company, how people can reach out and talk to you and discuss their plans for authoring a book?

Sure. So go to elite online publishing dot com, that’s elite online publishing dot com, you can fill out a submission form there if you have a book or don’t have a book. So you can just leave as much little information as you want. And then we can set up an appointment that you can talk to me, there’s a phone number there, you can reach out as well. And we’d love to hear from you. And you can find YouTube videos that we have out. We have a podcast called elite expert Insider, where we talk about books, but we talked about also how to be successful in your business as well.

Awesome. That’s great. Thank you so much for being with us today and sharing all your knowledge about the publishing industry and, and how people can, you know, become best selling authors.

Thanks so much. We appreciate it. Glad to be here.

Thank you so much.

 

Links & Mentions From This Episode:

Melanie’s Website: https://eliteonlinepublishing.com/

TetraNoodle consulting services: https://bootstraptechstartup.com

TetraNoodle professional training: https://courses.tetranoodle.com

 

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